No one will discuss Egyptian Y chromosomes with me.
A few months ago, after re-reading Keita’s work on the Lucotte Y chr paper, I spotted the single biggest ‘elephant in the room’ fact about modern Egyptians… they aren’t Arabs.
Arabs, with monotonous regularity, have J y chromosomes, where as Egyptians have African A, B and E at about 70%, with most of their other Eurasian Y chr like T (K2) and R1, I, R1b etc, having been in Africa so long that they can be seen as far south as Somali and in the Fulbe and men of Cameroon (at 90% at times). I worked out overall about 10% of Egyptian male ancestry dates back to the historic period. The mummy DNAshows there’s probably been a lot more movement than that from black women into Africa, as North African ancient remains from the Guanches to the Egyptians are overwhelmingly Eurasian in origin fro maternal ancestry, but are about 1/4 black now.
I then bothered to compared this to a list of African tribes, like the Amhara, Beja, Nubians, Hausa, Ouldeme- and it turns out that modern Egyptians have more specifically African male ancestry than about half of the ethnic groups in the Sudan, Ethiopia and Cameroon. When asked how can Egyptians be invading Arabs/Persians whatever when they have less Eurasian Y chromosomes than the Amhara and Beja and most of Cameroon….there’s been nothing but a resounding silence from my Afronaut pals. LOL. I’m assuming they are going to claim the invading armies were all women 
There’s a fairly epic silence coming from Egyptsearch on this matter. Guys?
Not one Afronazi I’ve challenged on this has ever responded, they all start spouting insults and scuttle off.
Anyone reading this who is curious- black Africans in the Arab slave era 14 million, Europeans about 1.5 million. The current maternal DNA in North Africa is mainly near Eastern and not European in origin- so that bullshit about the Moors being black until white female European slaves whitened them up is also provably not true from the DNA of modern North Africans.
Bite me Rastawire…
Hello lady M.
Being that I share ancestry, with Amhara Ethiopians, Nubians, Egyptians and Beja.
I never seen the % of african and european, data that you have displayed above..
I have some studies that show admixtures I will display them below:
There is much discussion of the ethnicities of the ancient Nile Valley civilzation.. (The White Nile down to the Blue Nile)
This is a percentage breakdown of the Ethinicities with
West- asian and Eurasian (Asia minor) admixtures:
also something to ponder…… Most so-called African-Americans, still would not qualify as a pure non-mutational African ..
Mozambiquen- 0% West-Asian/Eurasia
Khoisan Khoi Khoi- 0% West-Asian/Eurasia
Ethiopian- 28% West-Asian/Eurasia
Kenyan/Sudan- 6% West-Asian/Eurasia
Egyptian- 70% West-Asian/Eurasia
Nile Valley/Nubia- 41% West-Asian/Eurasia
Senegalese- 1-4% West-Asian/Eurasia
Fula/Fulani- 12% West-Asian/Eursasia
Moroccans- 61-72% West-Asian/Eurasia
Algerians- 37-60% West-Asian/Eursasia
Nigerians- 4% West-Asian/Eurasia
Cabo Verde- 3% West-Asia/Eurasia
Most of these people mentioned above could be considered a
African-American/Native-American/White/Mulatto or even Black if they were born in the western hemisphere. (The U.S.)…
Further more , having a overstanding of this proximity , is there such a thing, as the So-called Races ……
When all of thee above are inhabitants of Africa …
http://www.africandna.com/ScienPapers/MtDNA_Profile_of_West_African_Guineans.pdf
http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/dna-diversity-in-egypt-amongst-mtdna-haplogroup-l/
ቢልልይ ጋምብለ
Can you please paste your study and source ?
ብልልይ ። ግምብለ (Billy Gambela)
October 20, 2009
Can you please paste your study and source ?
Lucotte’s ‘brief communication’ but I’ve also got a complete list of the Y DNA studies of Egypt. Just type in ‘Egyptian DNA reference page’ and it’ll come up, complete with links to sources.
Most so-called African-Americans, still would not qualify as a pure non-mutational African
True, they are about 22% European at the last test.
I think modern lower Nubians are about 60% Eurasian, upper about 50% and you’ve got a steep drop off as you go south. Modern upper Egyptians are about 70% Eurasian (or ‘came back into Africa’ DNA, however you want to put it)
The Y chromsomes of the groups are pretty useless as guides to their mixture- way to prone to founder effects (see the Chadic speakers in Cameroon, you’d think they were half European from the R1b). generally go by the mt DNA alone along the Nile and in East Africa, it’s a better guide.
mathilda37
November 28, 2009
By the way .. I would Love to discuss the Egyptian Y-chromosomes with U..
After all I belong to M2 of the triad M2, M5, and M68..
http://billygambelaafroasiaticanthropology.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/egyptian-dna-indigenous-to-north-africa-haplogroup-e-familia-m78m35m2/
ብልልይ ። ግምብለ (Billy Gambela)
October 20, 2009
Hi Billy.. I saw your blog a few weeks ago when I was surfing. Small world.
mathilda37
November 28, 2009
Hi there Mathilda,
I looked at the site and the video. You seem to be well-informed. Can you please tell me which haplogroups have the most African ancestry and which ones have the least?
LA
October 21, 2009
Afro-education websites!!
Surely thats a contradiction in terms… Afrocentrist/Education- these terms are not compatible
BTW, I’ve flagged that race hate vid you linked to in your comment. Not nice- and very ill informed if it was your own work. They painted a lot of their gods white.
I know from the DNA work and studies on bones north Africans have been the same for about the last 8k. All you lot do is lie and rant. Pick up a book. Only 1.5 million European ended up in North Africa as slaves, vs about 14 million black Africans.
Plus the maternal DNA from north Africa is mainly near eastern in origin not European and it shows up in 12,000 year old bones from Morocco and ancient remains from the canary islands too..
…In other words- more ill informed crap from an afromoron about white slaves ‘whitening them up’. If anything North Africans have more black ancestry now than they did (about 20% more).
mathilda37
August 4, 2009